Season 2, Episode 4

Of Struggle the Return and Onward

Oct 16, 2019 | Editing, Podcast

Clark Chamberlain and Peter Turley are back discussing what it's like to live in a car for a year, returning to school, and where


Apple | Spotify | Google | Stitcher | PocketCasts | Overcast | PodBean | Breaker | Castbox | RadioPublic RSS 

Co-Hosts & Guests

Clark Chamberlain Peter Turley

Episode Resources

Show Notes



If you’re craving a high-speed boost to your creative process consider this

In our new app you’ll find an exclusive Author’s Toolbox filled with actionable worksheets and lessons to move your manuscript to market.

  • Never miss a podcast
  • Go behind the scenes
  • Be first on invitation-only workshops
  • Get instant access to the Author’s Toolbox

Episode Resources

Show Notes

Coming Soon


Clark: welcome to look at her show on Clark Chamberlain and you’re not gonna believe this that’s right the man the myth the legend my friend Peter Turley in the digital flash right here with us.

Continue Reading

Peter: digital flash there’s something so wrong about that. That was quite, I was waiting for you to freestyle and intro, but you know it was all right.


Clark: I know, it’s not his epic, and especially now that you are now so much more educated coming back, congratulations, you need a more epic intro.


Peter: I know, what a mountain.


Clark: it’s fantastic to be back here with you Peter and doing the show again I’ve really missed this a lot.


Peter: definitely. I think not just because obviously I like talking to you Clark, but sometimes we don’t get a lot of time to reflect on our own practice as writers or editors. Or even just time to reflect on anything especially these days but it always provided me that time to kind of think about what I’m up to and what I’m doing so you know selfishly I really enjoy doing it for all those selfish reasons.


Clark: I did too. It’s been really interesting, because the show has not been on the air for quite some time and actually just two days ago someone posted on one of our earlier YouTube videos, just that they’re grateful for the information. And I was interviewing an assistant a few days ago and she was like, “your podcast is the only one I’m still listening to because of the information. Because it’s easy to understand and it’s really actually deliver something I can use.”


Peter: man, I think that’s kind of a huge motivation, I know for me, and I think I know for you, for coming back. Obviously I think we realized we have so much to say and so what you want to do, but whenever we get those comments were here everyone’s enjoying it and finding some value in it that just motivates us so much more to keep putting this stuff out there. I mean I had contact with someone recently, so shout out if you’re listening you know who you are, who messaged looking for a few words of advice on something they’re working on and they had messaged about a year ago listening to the show. And it’s just nice to know that something like this is having an impact. I think there’s nothing worse than if you have that moment in my just saying the same thing in a different way. I think it’s the equivalent of of sticking the manuscript in the drawer you get a bit of time to sort to grow, improve, and repackage your new message in a new way and not just sort of say the same things over and over and if you have to have some more time a way to do that I’d much rather do that then have 100 extra shows that were repeating themselves.


Clark: absolutely.


Peter: man, were getting honest here.


Clark: we are. Because I know exactly what you feel because I know that’s exactly what we want to do. Three weeks ago four weeks ago we sat down and had a conversation where we want to show to go and what we want to do and we don’t want this to be the exactly the same thing that we’re done before and we both grown as writers and communicators and one of the things you want to do is put the shows together in a way where you call them seasons where were delivering content that’s not the same but that’s a series of content. So this season it could be all about dialogue or this season is all about editing for character development or something like that these are just examples. Or poetry that something that you want to do. So you can come into the book editor show and be able to get information that you’re looking for on that subject in very easy way to find it and hopefully it’s not going to become the same old thing over and over again because we want to keep people coming back or when they’re ready to move forward in that next step of the writing that they can dive into that information they can say what was that season where they talked about that thing that I’m looking for now?


Peter: I think that’s I just want to say that has just kind of come from listening to us listening to everyone out there who’s listening to us because we we’ve had comments about how we’ve talked so much about fantasy and were guilty of that and we don’t really care. Because we love it. No, we do care and that’s part of it we really want to a world of genres out there that we want to tackle and we want to please the audience that we built so far and and we do take things on board and we do sit down and chat about where it’s gone ahead and the series is going to be one of the best thing it’s gonna come and just make it easier for everyone listening because your going to be able to live not have to go hunting for the thing that you’re looking for. You’re going to be able to find where it is pretty easy and hopefully there’s a hefty chunk of content there to consume at your pleasure.


Clark and you’re thinking well let’s say when this particular season comes along I have no interest in it so what am I going to listen to the show so guess what, we figure that out to so were going to have the show divided into simple segments were getting a another segment producer to come on that is also going to be able to cohost if Peter and myself are unavailable in a particular week and they’ll be providing information. One of the other things you really want to do is talk about the writing life at the beginning of every show where we’ll talk about what this whole process is like especially in one way to help normalize what other people are going through especially as they’re trying to move to the full-time physician of writer.


Peter: I think the struggle is something that we don’t talk at a nothing about and when you’re trying to improve your trying to prove your writing or trying to prove your editing or trying to prove your life you’re trying to make all these different things work together and I think that struggle needs to be addressed and how are you finding the time to fit all these things in and find and make the sacrifices what sacrifices are being made and what can you do to lessen those sacrifices and just make the progress you want to make and have the impact that you want to have without that journey having a negative impact. It should be a good thing pursuing your hobby and your dreams and the things that you care about.


Clark: because we both been through this and you know I think we’ll talk about this in a moment with what we’ve both been going through but this is real and it’s not the easiest thing to do and you’ve got to be in a place where you feel this is the thing that’s bringing you joy because it’s not always going to bring you happiness like there are days when you’re not going to be happy have happiness come from the writing life but if it’s bringing you joy that it’s a contentment you find in the thing that you feel that you’ve been put on this world this is your purpose to do this thing, and that’s where I’ve been out. I know this is what I’m supposed to be doing I’m supposed to be writing I’m supposed to be helping people understand this better and that brings me a considerable amount of joy even though it’s really tiring, it’s exhausting. And that’s another thing that’s become really important to me having an honest conversation with yourself and deciding what you really want to do because it’s so easy to get sidetracked if writing is your thing and that’s all you want to do all you want to do is writing it can be really easy in this current marketplace to get sidetracked on all these other things and all of a sudden you and not writing anymore. Well you need to recheck and have a honest conversation with yourself and decide how I want to reincorporate this into my life how can I trust myself that doing this is going to land me the results I’m after. Because I think that’s where we get into that divide where you know we get pulled in other different directions because were a little bit scared about about where were at with the main goal.


Peter: were complicated. And life is complicated. And you know we shouldn’t try to pretend that it isn’t so yeah, it’s just acknowledging the struggle of all these things that we face.


Clark: oh so, you have some big news. Some big things that happened in your life. Some good stuff.


Peter yeah, I finished my English literature creative writing degree which many I pursued as a personal goal at the time and we started the show. I decided I want to take this as far as I can take it and know as much as I can them be as viable as I can to the people that are asking for my help that I could be. And then that led on to a Masters degree in creative writing which I just finished. So I’m really happy with that. And I will be looking to hopefully, I don’t want to jinx anything not that I’m superstitious,. Maybe moving into sort of a PhD.

Clark: Dr. Turley.

Peter: that would be awesome.

Clark: Dr. Turley has a nice ring to it.

Peter: I might need to get an outfit too.

Clark: and you know that’s why we had to start the show again, because I realized it committed to all this education and there is been no show to showcase you.

Peter: you know it’s been a journey, I went down to London to read a poem at an event that involved that involved eight universities from around the country and subsequently had that piece published in the Leeds Journal of human rights which was awesome. Which was a collaborative effort, which was an interesting experience because I haven’t done much collaboration and I really want to talk about this in a future episode, but with the challenges of working with someone else. And producing a cohesive piece that spoke to both of the voices was amazing. And I was pretty proud of what we did and I just think I’m not going to say anything cheesy like collaboration is the way forward or anything like that, but you can learn a lot from it a lot of humility and patience you can learn about your own style about other people’s files and I guess it felt like I guess it worked in the same way translation does where you know where translation is kind of an art, where can you ever get an accurate translation because you have to do the original piece justice and you have to do each other justice but you have to accept that the final piece isn’t going to reflect either of you in the entirety and is going to be a new thing that reflects the collaboration. And that was just amazing to do something like that and I deftly want talk about that in the future. And it just feels good to sort of to have some really useful experiences to go forward and to talk about with everyone.

Clark: first of all huge congratulations, the amount of effort you put into this to move forward, it’s not easy it’s not easy to do that and you should be applauded just to get all that done and on top of that I just think that poetry is just awesome that you’re able to do that.

Peter: and it didn’t come as a complete surprise to me I had written it before I was interested in it and I like to do it and it’s always sort of a way to kind of akin to journaling I would write what I felt like I needed to say just because I needed to say it but the more I sort of studied it over the three year degree the more it just I was reading works at spoke to me I was finding new ways to say what I wanted to say so then I focused on the last year with the Masters entirely on poetry. And just drowned myself in it basically. That’s a really bad word drowned to know. It’s really something I’m interested in moving forward so let us know as well. I don’t think we’ve heard for many poets in the past. Are there any listening to this do you have any editing problems or questions or are there fiction writers out there who dabble in it? This is what I’m saying you don’t have to be all of one thing and none of the other one sort of saying here is if there are things other than fantasy that you want us to talk about let us know because we really care.

Clark: we really care.

Peter: we do we do.

Clark: and we want to make sure were delivering good content to listeners and being able to give you shows that you want to hear about so when were talking about the season ideas we want to know what you want to hear. What do you feel in the marketplace you go on and can’t find a good book on a particular subject and you wish you could find something that had something on another subject. So we want to hear about that so we can deliver to you the best stuff we possibly can.

Peter: yeah, I certainly want to have an interactive element going forward. You know we don’t want to just have this didactic approach where this is what we think of everything and take it. Let us know and we’ll see what we can do. And by that I mean totally smash it and give you the best advice you’ve ever had, but if you want that or you don’t need it…leave it.

Clark: you know I’ve been wanting to write the article, why you’re not going to succeed at writing.

Peter: that’s great advice for the first show.

Clark: in a little click Beatty I guess you know I guess were getting people upset about that thing, but seriously.

Peter: I want to click it.

Clark: but there’s certainly a lot. It takes a lot to write and it takes a lot to succeed and some people you know are never going to build a do that because I can’t get that life in that right balance in the right spot and really commit to continue to do what they want to do. Because that makes me sad, because if writing is what you want to do then you need to figure thing everything out in order to do that or if being an editor, because now I know that there are editors listen to the show.

Peter: who knew.

Clark: oddly enough. If editing is your thing then you need to figure out how to do this and you need to figure out how to go all in with what it is that you’re trying to do because life is too fucking short. Life is too short to mess around going around after other stuff that you don’t care about.

Peter: I’m regretting half of my life decisions right now. So thanks for that.

Clark: were supposed to regret the first half and then try to figure out for the second.

Peter: you know when you say that, I believe it. You know?

Clark: you know it’s a natural thing where we get so programmed in on everything we do that we did when you were growing up

Related Episodes


Submit a Comment